The Truth About Success, Failure & Growth- Benoy Tamang

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Listeners of the Tron podcast, this is your host, Rashad Woods. I've always had the pleasure and continue to have the pleasure of talking to successful people from all walks of life. This man epitomizes it. He's been a part of seven different startups, and now he passes along not just his business acumen, but also helping you with your personal journey journey along the way. The road to success can be awful and lonely, and it's good to know that people like Benoit Tamang are available to provide coaching and assistance to aspiring entrepreneurs on their journey to success. Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

You are welcome, Rashad. Thanks for having me here. Happy to share whatever I've got. I want to help.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Absolutely. And I appreciate that. So can you give some background about yourself for the purpose of the show?

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Yeah, uh, it's quite easy. Not only because my dad was in the army, which is the antithesis of a small business, massive, hundreds of thousands of employees. Think about it. Yeah. And it repelled me, right? It programmed me to say, nah, I don't want that. So ultimately, I decided that I want to be a business capitalist pig, if you don't mind. So let me go, let me go do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Because I don't I don't like all the politics and such. And so from a long time ago, I've got many stories to tell you. I wanted to vote for the underdog. I wanted to be the supporter because I hated bullies. I hate bullies. And I even thought, hey, if I bully the bullies, does that make me a bully? Right. I'm trying to help the guys getting bullied.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Anyway, so because of that, um, got into uh uh the software side, the tech side, and ultimately started up quite a few businesses, lots of pain, lots of lost money, lots of gray hairs, but I wouldn't have done it any different. And my my sweetheart is still with me, Rashad, after all this crap I put her through. And so I and people say, so you're a successful man. I say, I'm absolutely successful. I have five grown, beautiful kids who, because of Angela, love each other and they still want to hang out with their old mom and pop. So that makes me the richest man around, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:14

It's beautiful because you know, all the stories that I hear, you know, it's about the person, right? Because that road, you know, to success can often be very lonely. And you have to surround yourself with the right people and you have to work when nobody's looking. And I know you know this, and I just I do a podcast, I haven't created any softwares, I'm not going to act like I've created something you know that's changed the world, I didn't create Coca-Cola, but you literally have to sacrifice time away from family, and it it is not if you want it to be successful, it's gonna require things of you that you didn't know you had in you.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

That's right. And in fact, I am a uh Jesus-loving, God-fearing man, and I've always said that if you truly, truly want to unbury those talents you've been given, if you really, really want and uh fully show the God-given gifts, start a business. Because you dig deep, you have to go hard, yeah, you have to eat humble pie, you have to ask for help. Yeah, right? Think about that. If you I'm not knocking anyone who's an employee, and that's great. You clock in and you clock out, and yes, you gotta put up with crap and you gotta do hard things, but until the livelihood of your family rests on your shoulders on something that you took the risk on, you truly haven't dug deep to figure out what you're truly made of, and that's when the gifts really get sculpted, cultivated, and earned.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Yeah, so I haven't reached that stage yet. You know, I'm like I said, I'm just I'm just a host, right? So, but you know, in the time that I've been doing this, I've talked to enough people and given enough of my free time that I just got a small taste of it, right? And so what what the journey I've I noticed with you is is that you know, it's not just the finished final product, you're giving back to, you know, I saw your inspiring story that you did with David C. Kelly, where you said the woman took on a sales position role and she was having she was struggling. And in a typical environment, it would have been, you know, you're not meeting your quota, we're gonna have a meeting, and this is your 90-day review, yada yada. And he was like, I I didn't make a mistake hiring you. And it was like the the elephant, the just the weight got off that woman's back. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Yeah, uh, that is a beautiful example of a client of mine. I've been we're still working together, it's been five years as he's grown the business. He is a wonderful example of how you truly lift the person and build them up too many times, always like you're not cutting it, what's going on, what's happening, versus what can I do to help you succeed? Right. Who says that? If you had more people that gave that level of support, that level of safety, that level of encouragement, who couldn't rise? Too often it's the sneering bully that says, You're not good enough, buckle up. Right, right? No, I believe that you can lift them by saying, How can I help you succeed?

SPEAKER_02 5:23

So that leads to my next question, right? So the there's this there's this increased awareness of of I I don't want to say, you know, I don't want to swing too far in one direction of actually approaching that method, but a lot of people use the previous method because that's what they went through, so to speak. The Gordon Gecko phase, right? Where it's just like, you know, hey, you know, stiffen that upper lip if you're on for a wild ride, so to speak. I'm giving the PG version of that. You know, when is that applicable versus when it's not? Because some people can take it, some people can, some people can't. You know, it's it diversifies itself amongst different people.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

I have an answer for you. I believe that every individual needs a tailored approach. Stay with me. But the most important fundamental underlying principle is that when you administer the medicine to help them heal and recover, it can be tough medicine, it can be soft medicine. Right. But but the leader, the person administering, has to be in full clarity mode, unemotional with the negative frustration and irritation because their own fears and insecurities then manifest in so it comes out like crap, like you stink versus Rashad. I know you can do this, I believe in you, I've seen what you've done, and uh, I don't know what's going on right now. Let me know, I'll help support you. But I expect you to hit this mark, which you agreed to do right now. That it's straight, direct, lovingly administered versus what the crap, Rashad. You disappoint me again, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

So the answer is where you're coming from is very important because you can give tough love. And some people go, Man, I needed that. Thanks. I said, You're welcome. Some you have to be a little more ginger, right? But the the fact that you're coming from a place of clarity here and in your heart, they can feel it. Yeah, they can feel it.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

That's it's wonderful. And you know, I I you know I've also been curious about this question because people bring you on as the advisor, right? And oftentimes it's like you know, people defer to their doctor, like, hey, I'm you're you know, somebody's a coach. I'm not saying they say this to you personally. When is there a applicable time from the person being advised to push back on the coach, so to speak, right? Because you can be in kind of a subjective mode, so to speak, where you're just like, okay, I'm taking this, I'm taking this, I'm taking this. How does that relationship dynamics work? Because the coach, whether it's you or someone else, has to be able to take criticism and feedback too. You know, oftentimes people in hierarchy powers don't respond well to the person beneath them. Like, listen, man, this ain't cutting it from you.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Yeah, I I love this question. So it's a very good question. I'm gonna answer it with a couple of three legs of a stool. Number one, I've a long time ago come to the realization that an expert, no matter how great they are, could could fulfill the role of a consultant, a mentor, and a coach. So if that expert is a consultant, say, hey Roshad, dude, we got this huge problem. I'm gonna pay you big bucks. Solve it for us, will you? And you'll do it in a jiffy while we would have struggled because we have no expertise. Number two, I've also learned that ultimately the individual being helped, that's the right word, may need at some times a consultant role versus a mentor role, which is hey, you know, I've I've been there before. I recommend you cast that line with the hook in the in that part of the the pool in that river bit or in that river, because you're most likely to get a bite there. So the consultant does it, the mentor tells you based on the experience, do that. And number three, the coach says, What are your ideas on how to catch that fish?

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Okay, right. The reason I'm uh I'm sharing the these three legs, one is you know, the definition, number two, you're not always in a uh an advisor. People say is do this, do this, do this. No, no, no. And from my perspective, I love the coaching role the most because I'll say, dude, it would be presumptuous of me to come in and give you advice. Yeah, for I do not know the full context of where you've been, what the relationships are, how deep the problem is. So, what do you think you should do? What are the options? Right. So, yeah. Okay, so definition coaching says, I don't know the answers. You actually are closer to solving the problem yourself, and I believe in you, you can come up with that. And then number three, some decision gets made, usually by the client, the coachy. And if they say, I'm gonna change that, I'm gonna go this direction, I said, go for it. Right. Because you carry the responsibility, you carry the experience. Right. And if I say something and they push back, it's still your decision.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Do it, do it. And if it's wrong, it was still the right thing to do because that's what you needed to learn in order to come back and say, you know what, should have done it the other way.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Yeah, put on you. You know, and the thing is about it is that you know, experience is the greatest lesson, right? Experience is the absolute greatest lesson. And I think as long as you come in with good intentions, it's okay to try and experiment and fail. You know, one of the things that I was curious about when it comes to tech, you know, startups in particular, because you hear about them all the time. Some do really well, some do medium-sized, some fail. You know, unfortunately, there's a lot more failures than successes, but that's just how the world operates and functions. Do you sit back and say now that, like, particularly when it comes to AI, that sometimes everything pivots too much in one direction and then it gets saturated, and then it can dilute. Like, you know, right now everything's artificial intelligence, everybody's the rush to do it. Do you see, well, you know, kind of a mirror image of, hey, everybody's trying to get in this space, and maybe everybody's not suited for it.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

Yes, to everything you said. It is a uh bit of a feeding frenzy. At the same time, it is new and the novelty is exciting. At the same time, I've also learned that in a typical land grab, the first one, first two may make the majority of the dent. Right. And everybody is a has been. Uh right? And then at the same time, there are beautiful business principles, principles that cannot be short-circuited. You gotta pay the dues, you gotta do these things. And for me, the biggest thing that I currently worry about, similar to when the smartphone came out, is what the implications are for the human psychology, right, the health, the mental burden that any new technology has. Yes, right, and uh, we've seen it in kids, my kids, my them, the younger kids particularly, how how much the technology enables and disables at the same time. So AI is great. Let's go and make sure that we are prudent, that we put guardrails around it, so we make it we make inroads and make businesses do it. Right. But let's just not just do it for the sheer dollar only.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Without question, you know, and because you know, I it's funny because when I talk to my kids, you know, they don't know what a blockbuster is, they don't know what you know. Just just because you order something on your smartphone does not mean that the process of making a pizza got any quicker, right? So, you know, you just have the immediate satisfaction that you didn't have to call and wait on phones and things like that. The actual process behind the scenes, they still have to, you know, do the dough, put the toppings on it, still has to cook for 30, you know, some odd minutes, etc. etc. But people have instant gratification now when it comes to what's in front of them and they expect it now because they got an email or a or a pop-up saying that your order's now been submitted. So, you know, it certainly does there needs to be some social guardrails about what is actually capable in real time and what is and what isn't. Yeah, and it what I was also curious about too was that when companies um overinvest, and there is the inevitable bubble drop, like streaming, everybody went all in on streaming, then you realize that they had to pull back and then they merged and they acquired because you know they couldn't, they got their lunch taken, so to speak. How do you temper the expectations of founders when it comes to they want to conquer the world, but they haven't got an MVP yet?

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Beautiful. I think the answer is you never want to dull the energy, the motivation, the drive. You never want to take the essence of someone who wants to make a big impact away from them. Yeah, that that would be horrible. It's like popping the dreams of the young three-year-old for Santa Claus. No, make it something huge, make it magical as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, as a whatever. Right, do it. At the same time, what you have to realize is that because the odds are against you, odds are against you, when inevitable failures, road bumps come along, do not blame yourself as being a failure. Do not start whipping yourself into I I suck, I shouldn't have done this. Because it is a high-risk game that we play. Without question. Right? Profit is proportional to risk taken. So guess what? It's gonna be super highs and super lows. Do not dull the the motivation, yeah, but but do understand that when things happen, it's not about you, it's not about you. That's that's wonderful. We applaud it.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Yeah, because I think sometimes people, you know, and this isn't certainly a knock on the successful people that have been on this that on the show and on the host, you know, people look at Shark Tank and they, you know, uh, you know, it's almost like if you haven't been beat up by somebody like, you know, who's who's trying to do something successful for you, then you're not, you know, you're not getting to the place that you needed to be. That's not to say you shouldn't pay your dues, that's not to say you shouldn't, you know, go through the muck and the mud, so to speak, but there's almost like a a Simon Cowell effect where you have to have the screaming coach at you, you know, you know, that you can't sing, and then you know, the feast or famine kind of thing, the good ones will stick this out. Like, and I say this and I'm gonna stop. Like, you ever seen the uh gosh, the movie escapes me? Um whiplash, like you know, the the music when yeah, the when it's a drummer, like he's gonna be the jerk music composer, and then they'll get to that level, and the ones that don't that can't play just won't survive, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Yeah, yeah. Uh so now you you're talking to a guy whose dad was in the army, so I so and and you're talking to a firstborn Asian son. So I I I'm used to all of the beatings and all of the yellings, it's just part of the makeup. Yeah, and so again, some people need it, love it, yeah, will rise up to it.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

The newer generation of younger professionals are not as resilient, and I'll say that that is true with no hesitation. That is true. It may cause a backlash, I may get lots of negative crap about it, but there is a reality to today's DNA group, yeah, which it is it's a different approach. So back to that. There are people who can take it, and there are more younger people who cannot take it nowadays. And so I don't think that it's bad that they can't take it, and I don't think it's good that they can take it if they're the old school.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

It's just the way it is. I've now just said it the way it just is. It just is. It's easy, it's easy to poke fun and say a weakling, whatever. And no, it's just different. They have more creative juices in a different way, they're more sensitive and caring.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

It's you know, it's funny because you know, like the basketball coaches that I had, I'm like, yeah, they couldn't play, you know, the things that were said, you know, you're like, I would never let them say that to my kid, but I'm like, man, you know, there were it was I, you know, it'd be some, you know, I'll keep it PG. It would be some choice words between me and that coach, but like it was normal for me. You know, you just had to deal with it, you know. And then you're telling, you know, your dad, he'd be like, listen, son, you better let, you know, you gotta deal with it. You know, but that prepared you for life. That prepared you for, you know, to navigate difficult people and not get emotionally charged about the situation. Because to your point, when you start feeding your family, when you say, I'm gonna, you know, quit my job to go on this venture and it's gonna be lean for these couple months, aka years, you could get divorced. They could walk out the door on you. You know, it's not, you know, the stakes are real, you know, and that's what this show is cultivated about, right? Like, I'm not moving human hearts on this show, I'm not performing surgery, and I'm not making anybody, you know, I'm not putting creating a new medicine. I just get to talk to people all day. So I'm like, I get to just do this little safe space. But for people like yourself, you went all in and said, This is what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Yeah, and I will say this it is still the most underdog role, I believe, in the world to start something from scratch. Number two, it requires a level of grit and resilience that is is very demanding, but that also, number three, shines your gifts, your talents that you've got. For we all have them, we have them, and so it's what for me, it's worth it. Yeah, go dig through that Shawshank tunnel of crap. Yes, because yeah, you really, really understand who you are, and and I think you actually chronologically earlier get to a level of sanity. Oh, yeah. You go, question. This is what life is. Right. Life isn't about always proving, proving. Life is about saying, I'm great enough, not just good enough. Life is I can see, and now I look at retail new businesses opening up, and I can see them with compassion in my eyes and go, I hope they work out. Yes, I hope it works out. It's rough. There's a level of all that you get sooner having gone through that tunnel.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

And I think it's worth it. I absolutely think it's worth it. I I wish everyone started their the business.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

And I think that kind of segues into my next question. Why is it, you know, and I I don't slam teachers or the educational system, but I always want to know what is it about the foundations of the educational system that has programmed people to just follow this linear path of go to go to elementary school, go to junior high, get your diploma, go to four-year school, and everything else will work itself out. Don't worry, we'll sold you on this dream of any respective country, not just in here in America, respectively. Why is it not transitioned to get people to think like that? That there's not a pot of gold waiting for you and a gold watch and a retirement party, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Yeah. You have to realize at the same time, Rashad, they they started that after the depression of the 1920s and 50s. And so ultimately then everyone looked for stability where they didn't have to do hand to mouth, right? And ultimately, some sequence that provided safety and predictability towards an end, they worked hard for. And you've heard that whole thing about you know, hard times make soft men. Hard times make hard men, hard times, they do hard things, right? That whole cycle created this entire from cradle to grave, a level of programming that said, go do these things, get your degree, then clock in.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

And we have now reached the age and the stage where no, that doesn't work anymore. And not at all. Along the way, those who were those even younger ones trained at school teachers and such, they were trained by their predecessors to follow the same line. And we're saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop. As a parent, no, no, no. You don't have to do that. Right. I'd rather you tell you I'd rather you tell me what my child is not doing so that I can help, I can augment. Don't be scared of me, teachers. They would be scared of me when I went to parent teacher meetings, and I'd say, no, no, no, don't, no, no, don't roll. Over and give them a higher grade. Tell me what's going on. I'd have to bring it out of them because they were scared in case a parent yelled at them, the teachers, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:09

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

So along the way, so now we've reached the stage. No. And I have uh my youngest boy, I said, if you don't go to college, I don't think you need it because you got a great mind.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Keep learning, keep progressing, keep testing, keep you know, experimenting your way, and you'll be much better off. And make it all about your own business, your own way of feeding your family. Don't, don't, don't follow that. Just figure that out. It's more fun anyway. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

I'm kind of paraphrasing. There was an Orson Wells movie, the name escapes me. I saw the quote is pretty famous. He said, you know, you know, in Italy they had the Borgis, they had 200 years of bloodshed, but they also had Mark Michelangelo da Vinci in the Renaissance. And he said, you know, Switzerland, they had 200 years of prosperity, then what did they invent? The cuckoo clock, right? So, you know, you're just like, yeah, you know, like, you know, the muck can create beautiful things, right? You know, sometimes even when you don't see it. And so that's what this podcast is all about, right? So, you know, you can get preconditioned. So for people who are listening, even when you say that you have a fill, you start creating a filter system, like this this show has made me a better person, because now I realize that when I get to talk to people like yourself, I have to be linear focused on the task at hand. So every uh piece of outside noise that used to distract me, I don't have that anymore. And then even the people you talk to, the paths that they took, you realize how much time people waste on trivial things, right? Yeah, that matter absolutely nothing, right? But it feeds your ecosystem because or your ecosystem, so to speak, because it gives you some sort of gratification on a for whatever reasons they may be.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Yeah, yeah. And and you're a dad of three beautiful kids. What we have is a responsibility to share with them what the transitioning trappings of success is defined as, and then at the same time show them a better way. Without question. Without question, you gotta we gotta show them a better way, we gotta give them hope and support, and you can do it. And here we're gonna, and while you're inside the the the walls of my house, I'm gonna share some skills and I'm gonna make you earn it and develop it inside the safety of this house. And so that when you leave, you can conquer any of the changing dynamics that's happening so fast that I didn't have. But I'm gonna give you all the tools.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

And I think that because of the positivities of internet and social media, now people have kind of got off that sort of wagon where they're like, pause, hold the brakes a little bit. I'm gonna explore deeper than what's been shown in front of me. Maybe in in your early stages, you were looked at as the outlier because you know they're supposed to be that Citibank job or that that Wall Street job, or you know, but now people aren't looked at as outliers when they say, I'm going to go this path because I know that's not meant for me. Right. That's right. And people now have kind of woke up, so to speak, and the internet has done a great job of that or letting people explore different things, and that's a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

And and that's why I say I don't I'm not labeling the younger generation as not having enough resilience because they're more sensitive. I think we de we need more uh sensitivity to navigate what's going on. Yeah, because the old age Neanderthals of the past would have just bludgeoned their way to to something, right? Yeah. And you need to be more creative and sensitive and flexible nowadays. Oh, you don't pivot super fast. You have to. And and and that's why it is what it is. Let's now use it, let's use what is available to transform. I'm gonna go back to that earlier question about you know what happens when they push back on me as a coach. I love it. When my boys, three girls first, then two boys, five kids. When the boys, when I was telling them, 'Look, you're gonna do this, we're gonna do this, we're gonna succeed, da-da-da,' and they would say, 'No, dad, I'm gonna do it this way.' I'd go, Whoa. Yeah, he finally has his own voice.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Right, yeah, right, right, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

It was a beautiful moment. And then later on, the older brother says to the younger one, Dad likes it when you push back. Yes, go ahead. Dad likes it, right? Right? I do. I uh that that's a sign of independent thinking, making your own mark, go for it, test it out.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

And then, and then you know, before they lash out, maybe they'll lash out once, right? And then at some point you'll take that lash now, like, you know what? I'm gonna offsmart this person. So what I'm gonna do, it's almost like they clean your room before you ask. And that's something small, right? But like, okay, you know what? I'm getting ragged on every single week. So one day they're gonna walk in there and it's gonna be done. And then you're gonna walk upstairs and you're gonna be like, well, damn, I was gonna get on you about that, but I dang! Like, you already I don't have nothing to say, you know, and they could be lounging with headphones on, and you're just like, nah, you ain't saying that to me. Not today, because it's already done, right? So to your point, like you start outsmarting the person, like you start getting a laundry list, and I encourage people to do this on any level. Anything that could trip you up that you're thinking of that somebody could be, you know, in charge of you about, be like, I'm gonna do a laundry list of the five or six things that I think this person's gonna do, and I'm gonna beat them to it before they ask me to it. And then I'm gonna give them that, like either A, they're gonna see it and it's done already, or or C, or or C, they're gonna ask me, like, bro, this, this, this, this, this, this. And they're gonna be like, well, dang.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

That was good. I'm gonna bring that up with this last boy. I love that one.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Hey, I didn't seem to practice when I preach all the time, but it's got I I that's how I think now, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Yeah, absolutely. You're right. And that's why, as entrepreneurs, business startup guys, we have to be, and and I read this recently, and I think it's accurate. Intelligence isn't IQ, intelligence isn't even EQ. They it was um somewhere. Intelligence is self-cognition, meaning self-awareness of what you're thinking and why you're thinking it, yeah, so that ultimately you become that much more evolved with no external pressure required to do so. So intelligence is that self-improvement that comes from awareness. Yeah, and you nailed it. And so, as business owners and startup guys, we're constantly having to evolve, of course, right? And sometimes it's competition forcing us, and sometimes customers telling us and yelling us at us. But if we can be continuously improving, which is the theme of the last few minutes, I think that is the requirement to succeed. And it's you have to be more flexible now than in the past.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Yeah, and I'll just leave briefly with this because I want to be kind to sort of your time. You know, I did anybody who thinks that evolution doesn't work, look no farther than what happened to Blockbuster, right? Right in Netflix, right? When you didn't evolve, right? And they came Blockbuster was the dominant, you know, um, video, it was you know, retailer, and then Netflix, this startup came along, saw a huge hole in the market, could block but offered to sell themselves to Blockbuster because Blockbuster couldn't see streaming, but they could and put them out of business. And now, you know, so you always have to be forward-thinking. These companies and these startups and these things that are coming out, they're thinking five years ahead, whereas the people, regular people who think on a day-to-day basis, are just thinking about the this particular transaction in front of them.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Yeah. And I'll tell you right now, I just got back three weeks ago from taking seven of the CEOs to Costa Rica. We had a board meeting with surfboards and strategy. I call it surf and surf and strategy camp.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

It was great. The reason I'm bringing this up is invariably would we're mired in the day-to-day minutia and the firefighting that you never have time to really get above the trees to look at the forest and see where we are. And if we don't do that regularly as leaders, owners, we're gonna go into a wall and not even see it because we're just fighting.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

And so and so it was a week away, and then I had a I had my regular weekly calls with them, and two of the individuals particularly stood out because I said, dude, where'd you come up with those three great ideas? And his answer was I got time to think in Costa Rica, yeah, right? So you're you're innovating, you're thinking uh uh five years down the road and whatever. And I said, Those are great ideas, David. Well done. How'd that come about? He said, I got time to think, yeah, right, yeah, and so we have to be as business owners deliberately uh after gasping, taking time to put the oxygen mask on, breathing real deep. Because we're always running from one thing to another.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

The quarterly, yeah, but you know, the getting the ROI, the investment pitches, the uh quarterly earnings, the statements, right? You know, it's it's real, you know. And so, you know, I like I said, I haven't been in that space. I'm just a host. I'm never gonna dismiss people who create things for real. I just get a chance to talk to the people that do.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

So at the same time, let me say something, and this is I know we're live in public, but dude, you're not just appreciate it, Rashad. You are more than you are providing tremendous service. Thank you. You are giving hope and advice and and real life examples from people who are on your show.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

That wouldn't have happened if you hadn't taken the guts to start it. Yeah, so don't even think of it that way. I very much appreciate it. I would recommend you know.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

I appreciate that. I appreciate that. So, where can people find you, your story, and your coaching services? Because I I you don't you don't need me, but I always like to ask people that for the purpose of the show.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

I love at this age and stage in giving. It's more fun to be Father Christmas now, right? So beautiful. So, yeah, my my website, there's a free book that they can download and listen and read. It's called Think Uh Leadership is Mental. Yeah, and I mean it. Yeah, I think you'll under you understand that. Oh, yeah, free. Go to go to techceo coach.com. Tech T E C H TechCEO Coach.com. There's a free book there. Download it. I hope everyone has a chance to see what I mean by what leadership requires in the mental shift. So thanks for having me on here, Rashad. You are a good man.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

I appreciate it. And likewise, as well, too. But Benoit Tamong, I would love to have a follow up conversation. I wish you all the continued success. And the reason you're the reason why the show exists to talk to people to you like yourself. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Thanks, man. Take care. Bye bye.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Very appreciative of your time, sir. It's been an honor.