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Welcome back, listeners of the Randomness of Nothing podcast.
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As always, we bring interesting guests from all walks of life who have decided to make an impact outside of their and not follow the norm of what life typically would have to operate and function.
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This is a man who left a corporate career at Amazon to decide to mentor young men into the better stages of life to become better versions of themselves.
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In the greater Philadelphia area, Dan Corcoran.
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Thank you.
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Rajad, pleasure to have you here.
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Or pleasure to be here today.
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I'm used to being a host still.
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It's all good, man.
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You know, it's weird what every time a couple times that I've been interviewed, I'm like, I'm not used to answering all the questions, right?
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And then people are like asking, and you're sitting there kind of with a blank stare in your face, like because you're so used to being like a facility.
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I know.
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I I precisely.
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But yeah, yeah, it's like sitting in the passenger seat of the car.
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And you're like, this is really weird, man.
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Yeah, not driving the discussion.
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Precisely.
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He's like, yeah, so go ahead, please, and tell us about yourself.
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Thank you for being on.
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Yeah.
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My name is Dan Corcran.
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I worked at Amazon for a few years before that.
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I went to Penn State, graduated from there, originally from the Philadelphia area.
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And when I graduated from Penn State, I took kind of the best job I could find for myself.
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I had a liberal arts degree, didn't really have any hard skills that I developed.
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So I was like, where's you know, a decent company I could work at and grow?
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And thankfully, Amazon took a chance on me.
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And I worked there for four years, over four years.
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And during that time, specifically on the corporate side of things, I started to notice a bias, a bias against guys in terms of the policies, the hiring policies, the rhetoric within the org, the marketing, how we marketed certain things.
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And that kind of stuck with me because I'm like, that doesn't seem right.
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That doesn't really seem fair.
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And simultaneously, as that was going on, I was starting to notice the empirical trends that were being observed of the declining outcomes for younger guys in higher education and dropping out of the workforce and not doing so well in their health and having less and less social relationships, which over time just compounded my mind like this this doesn't feel right.
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This feels like we're on the wrong trajectory here, not just for younger guys, but as a country, which, you know, in at a certain point just pushed me to do something.
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I was like, I'm not going to live my life as a corporate drone and see this country that I do care about decline steadily and you know be 80 years old and be like, yeah, you didn't do anything about that, but you did notice it nonetheless.
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Yeah, that's you know, and the reality about it is everybody kind of has that what you call lightning in a bottle moment in life where you're just like, you know, there's and to to discover that at a very early age, you know, it, you know, I don't know how old you are, but you look young, right?
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So but to find that out, but to find that out at at a pinnacle and say, listen, you know, this is what I want to pursue.
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And then on top of that, you know, to to have an envious position such as at Amazon and be willing to sit back and say, I'm going to go in a different path with what my life takes me, I mean, that's risk taking, right?
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Because a lot of people tend to take the things that are very comfortable for themselves and you know go on cruise control.
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I had a very, you know, important guest one time who told me there's life by design and there's life by default, right?
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And so if you aren't careful, you know, you'll find yourself in a routine and won't even know you're in a routine.
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And the things that are normal, right?
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The things that are normal, you know, are really a high level of mediocrity, right?
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Because all you do is just wake up, you know, have your bowl of cereal and go on autopilot for the rest of the day, you know, and that's that's that's a really good thing for you catching.
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So my question to you, and I don't want to over talk you, was when did you decide to make that change and how was that for you on a personal level?
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You know what's interesting, and there wasn't like this one split moment of like, I'm done, this is it, I'm leaving.
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It was actually kind of years in the making.
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It went back to like growing up.
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I went to a Catholic grade school, went to Catholic high school as part of a Catholic fraternity in college.
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Not that I joined the fraternity because it was Catholic, but I've because of all these things, I've always believed in like a higher purpose, like a higher calling, in essence.
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I always you know, and through cinema too, like Braveheart, William Wallace, and all that.
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So I was always bought into that idea that you're kind of made for more.
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It's just whether you take up the part or not.
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So I knew when I was in Amazon this was not gonna be the end all be all.
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And I I honestly became very cognant of not trying to get addicted to that lifestyle that you spoke of.
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Because I think you kind of get trapped in these golden handcuffs, as you call it, where you are used to eating a certain way.
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You know, you're going out three, four times a week, you are taking X amount of vacations a year, you're going, you're doing this with friends.
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I try to be very cognant of not trying to get to not get addicted to that lifestyle.
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So when I did decide to leave, and when I was doing this, it didn't feel like such I was losing as much as some.
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But I mean, it took the course of a year.
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I think a lot of people are recommended and encouraged just to like jump ship.
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It took over a year in the making of like, when should you leave?
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Aligning up with your apartment lease ending, make sure you get your stock vesting dates, and make sure you know you don't tell anyone except like your closest friend there, it's things of that nature because it's very much strategic because like a lot any corporation, they get whiff of you leaving, they may give you that you know that premature exit.
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I and the thing is about it is is that you know, that you did have a plan, right?
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So there's there's a there's a couple steps to this process, you know, personal growth, professional growth.
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And it wasn't like you know, you decided, hey, I'm just gonna live, you know, you know, and I'm not disrespecting anybody.
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I'm not just gonna go in a tree house and and you know have cocktails and figure it out.
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You're like, no, I actually want to have young men accelerate, and I got a chance to check out your website and you know what you're all about.
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And you know, you're hosting events where it looks like people are getting haircuts, headshots, 30-day action plans.
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So they like you're putting people in a place where they need to be in professional development, regardless of what field of of what they may pursue, just having a level of professionalism and confidence about yourself, because you know, I think a lot of times, you know, it's like figure it out once you turn a certain age.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, there's no those milestones come to a complete end, basically, from high school to college to grad school, whatever it is, wherever it looks like for you, it stops, and then there's little to no guidance in your life, and then that's when the autopilot could really take over.
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Without question.
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And the interesting part about it is that you know it's funny because we always say we're kind of pre-programmed, right?
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Like, you know, here you are 13, 12, 14.
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It's important to get to 4.0, that you know, it's important to be on the dean's list, it's important to, you know, to to send you all your application, fill out your FASF, or whatever the case may be.
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And then you're supposed to follow.
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Society has told you you're supposed to follow a certain trajectory, regardless of what you really you want to do.
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And the ones that have figured it out, like you know, obviously people can go into skill trades and go into mechanics, but for the vast majority of of men between the ages of 14 and 18, they're telling you you have to get that four-year degree and you have to graduate from college, get that internship, because that's the only way you'll be successful.
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Precisely.
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And and I've we're seeing in real time how that's not the case.
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Absolutely not.
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Absolutely not.
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How that's not the case.
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100%, 100% so and honestly, I wouldn't change much.
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People will have a lot of regrets about changing things.
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I wouldn't change much because I wouldn't want things to be different in a way, like I like who I am, but at the same time, if I could speak to someone who was younger, say 18, what I would suggest to that person is you don't have to know your life, but know what you do like to do and how that can provide value to people in a skill, preferably.
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Because the good and this, I was having a conversation with a friend the other day who works at a corporation himself.
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But the thing is, he's like a licensed broker, so he developed a skill.
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And this is a skill that if you ever got sick of working at this corporation, you could go and sell that skill to another company, or even better, say you could start a business yourself.
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Most people don't develop a skill, they just work a job.
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And the thing is you become dependent on the employer to supply your life, your living, whatever.
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And if you were no longer beneficial to the bottom line, you're gone.
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Like see a buddy, and but you have nothing to fall back on, you have no skill to fall back on.
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And I think crafting that skill at a younger age or knowing where you want to go in terms of a skill is is important.
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I think that there's a large-scale failure, actually, when it comes to doing exactly just what you said, right?
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Because I I've said for years, I've said for years, you know, I have three children.
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I said, you know, everybody isn't I mean, you learn chapter one in high school at, you know, let's say you're in math.
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Chapter one is in September, chapter three is in October, and chapter seven is by December.
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So you're just flying by, and instead of sitting back and saying, hey, maybe this kid shouldn't be in calculus, maybe they really should be set up to be like, you know, a car mechanic.
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Well, why not aren't they in all of like car mechanics and and robotics courses for their entire high school?
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Right?
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Hey, I don't need to be in social studies, I don't need to be in home.
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And I'm I'm just keeping it real.
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Like, I don't need 60% of these courses because it's not applicable to me.
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So why not focus on me from 14 to 18 learning electrician, robotics, and just let me get my high school degree in that, and I can graduate from that instead of putting me in these generic courses that everybody does, even though it's not for me.
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Precisely.
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And I'm so happy you said that because Father Judged a high school I graduated from in Northeast Philadelphia, they actually started leaning into what you just said of opening up these skilled programs such as in welding, and students are now graduating from there with guaranteed job offers of up to$70,000.
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That's my point.
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So it's yeah, you I can't emphasize that enough.
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I I'd like to know the people that decided that this was the best way to do it, but in case anybody's asleep at the steering wheel, it's like, dude, like wake up and smell the coffee.
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These six, seven courses that you go through every single day, you know, you can look at the you can look at the grades, right?
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If 40% of your kids are either absent, not paying attention, or failing it, why not pivot?
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For sure.
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And we're seeing declining outcomes for younger guys in not just higher education, but also high school and their reading comprehension levels.
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And the thing is too, typically guys, boys display lower impulse control in classrooms.
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And the thing is, I don't believe that's exactly such a bad thing.
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It's just like, how do you kind of cater the learning experience to two younger guys who maybe want to be a bit more active?
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I mean, I remember in grade school when they stopped, when they said we couldn't run in the schoolyard anymore, at least to me, that was like hell.
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I'm like, what?
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Can't run anymore?
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What the what is this?
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So it's like how do we start catering because guy, young men are falling back in education, stuff going like, what are they doing wrong?
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It's like, what are we doing wrong as a system that doesn't equip them to succeed in this environment?
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I think that, you know, I think there's a large starving for it because I think now there's a pushback about it, right?
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And you know, the people that necessarily had all the answers, you know, you're seeing it, you know, with people who are declining to seek a four-year degree because for for there was this period, oh, I'm assuming I'm older than you, I'm not gonna say I am because I truly don't want to sit back and say, you could be 50, right?
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And I'm like, oh shit, no, I'm not 50, right?
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So you know what I'm saying, but like there was this approach for a couple decades that unless you had that four-year degree or that plaque on that wall, you didn't have value or you were looked at less than, right?
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And so now that because the cost is now like 50, 60, 70,000 a year, people are like, I'm not doing that.
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Now, if you want to be a doctor, if you need to be, you know, a lawyer, I'm not knocking higher education, I have a four-year degree.
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Having said that, there's some out-of-the-box ways, certificates and and and different courses and self-learning tools that have pushed people up in ways that has broken that thought process, and it's a good thing, right?
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So precisely by you hosting these workshops, you're almost getting the people who are on the outside looking in who weren't in that circle that says, No, you do belong.
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Yes, and the thing here too, Rashad, like this is our first inaugural event, and we want to be as successful as possible.
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And that's why anyone who is listening to this and knows, you know, in the Philadelphia area and wants to attend Rashad, we'll make sure we get that link in the in the bio or in the description.
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But to your to your point, this is a whole thing about re-igniting community.
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This young men's summit is about re-igniting community because as we observe, social isolation is such an issue, not just with guys, but with everyone.
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And the thing is, there I was reading a book the other day, and uh, the quote went, It's not enough for a man to live.
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He needs to understand what he lives for.
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Not enough guys understand what they're living for, and then you go into that autopilot autopilot routine that we spoke of earlier, of just the mundane, then the escapism through the weekend at the bar, and then sort of this vicious cycle of mediocrity that you don't really even want for yourself, but you also don't think there is actually a way out.
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So, this event, this young men's summit, is supposed to create like that way out of a life that you may not want to live and and and how things could be better and help equip you with the skills and the people that would that would help you succeed in that new life you want to design for yourself.
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Anyone who's listening, it's gonna sound funny.
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Like a high school should even show somebody how to be like, hey, this is a social media course, right?
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Like if you I'm not saying like you, if you want to be the TikTok star, right?
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But like you could say this is how you could cultivate a social following.
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They should have you know a course or a specialty uh on social networking, on on social platforms, on proper trending and things like that.
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I mean, for it sounds corny, but even you could even sit back and say, you know what, we're gonna have somebody major in sound and broadcast, and you know, maybe you want to be like a viral sensation or sports broadcaster or something viral with with what we're doing right now.
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And that is now a very lucrative career for people to go into, right?
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And so unfortunately, you have a lot of you know, old school superintendents, old school school boards, old school mentality that says, no, this is the curriculum, this is how we have this structure, this is how the school board, you know, and the state licensing says you can't have that.
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And it's it's an antiquated way of thinking with the way the world works right now.
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For sure, because it's based.
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I am one who values tradition, right?
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I think there's value in tradition, but there's something where tradition cannot hold up by itself on tradition alone.
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There has to be something in that.
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So if you're just saying we need the four-year degrees, uh, what do the four-year year degrees do?
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Well, we just need them because that's how it's my point.
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Exactly.
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Bro, yeah, it's what we need.
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What are what do the four-year degrees allow you to do?
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You know, they're like a means to an end, but right now there is no end, it's just a means to nothing because you're not getting a job.
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Right.
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So we there has to be a re-evaluation of how people approach college.
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And I went to college, yeah.
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I had a great time.
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I wouldn't change a thing about it, but they equip equip me for the working world, not even close.
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And partially that's definitely on me, but it's also the expectation that people that need to be rid of and dispelled with of like how getting a college degree will set you up for like no one.
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That's just not if you're honest with yourself, right?
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If you're for being honest with yourself, think about this for a minute.
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You're 17, 18 years old in June, and you're asking somebody by September or early August to have it all together of exactly what they want to do in a classroom setting.
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And I'm not like, you know, listen, I went to school with some smart people.
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I wasn't, I was right there in the mediocrity level.
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I got out, I wasn't being special, I wasn't anything bad.
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So I'm right there with just like, hey, you know, I got out, I did my thing.
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Which is actually most of the college people, right?
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Where I did, hey, I got my four-year degree and I can I can I've done enough, I've accomplished something.
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Having said all that, the mentality and approach is what am I preparing you to do?
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Are you having are you having applicable skills to actually do something of uh of substance?
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Can you survive on your own with what you've learned, irrespective of how society functions and operates, right?
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Like a perfect example.
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I'll tell you, I hate to cut you off.
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I had friends who cut hair in college.
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Cutting like and you're like, and all of a sudden you're like, dang, you get up there and you're like, man, you're making a lot of money cutting hair, and I can't believe I don't know how to cut hair.
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And my I have family of barbers.
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Yeah, that's I mean, yeah, I was just thinking about that in real time because uh at the event where I have the shape ups, but it goes back to the skill.
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It goes back to the skill of being able to build something up that you can utilize in your life rather than just learning a whole bunch of material that won't benefit you in the long term.
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If you have a personal interest in it, that's great.
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But nonetheless, there is something about crafting a skill.
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And thankfully for myself, I've always been big into fitness and and working out and nutrition.
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So when I left my corporate role Amazon, I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna start a business, I want to put on these young men's events, but I also need to be able to provide for myself and hopefully you know, aspiring future family.
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So I I'm leaning into what I learned for the past 12 years in fitness and working out.
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So it all goes back to those skills because when when you don't have anything to fall back on, when you can't really provide value, it's just a sad place to be.
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It's it and I'm not saying we that those people need to be scolded, but there's something has to change.
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Like you need to learn how to provide value, solve problems, and get good at something that you like.
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Well, it's funny you mentioned fitness because you know I'm big into martial arts.
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So, you know, I have a uh black belt in Tong Sudo, I have a brown belt in Taekwondo, and I do uh Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Lui Thai.
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And you know, anybody who's ever, if you ever need your ego shattered, do martial arts.
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If you ever thought you're just being totally honest with you, if you ever need to be like, hey man, I need to be tough brought down a couple notches, go to any one of those courses, you know, from a serious trained instructor with good students, and you'll find out real quick, you know, hey man, I'm not anywhere close to and this is just really people, right?
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Yeah, this isn't anybody UFC or professional level, you know.
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So can we talk specifically about this first event that you're gonna be hosting in in in the next month?
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For everybody who's listening, it's like March 28th, if I'm if I'm mistaken.
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Yes, sir.
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So I would really like to get some details about that event.
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Yeah, no, I'd love to share them.
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So on March 28th, we're hosting a young men's summit at St.
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Joe's University in Philadelphia.
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And the whole goal of this event is to help guys advance their career, build momentum in their fitness, and also create connections with people and businesses that will push them forward in life.
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That's the whole goal of this event.
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And the and the reason we're doing it now and the why behind it is we are observing and have been observing, but largely neglecting, the declining outcomes for younger guys for years now.
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And this is a local practical response to those outcomes.
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We want, you know, the people, me and the people I'm working with on this event, we want stronger families, we want stronger communities, and we want a stronger country.
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And young women and women are doing good in terms of home ownership, uh, economic mobility, uh, higher education, and there's nothing that is wrong with that.
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Simultaneously, we need all we need to make sure that we're applying resources to the other side as well, or applying attention to the other side as well, at a minimum, because a rising tide lifts all boats, basically.
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So we want to help young men so we can help.
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You know, pretty much as an extension, help the families, help the community, and help the country.
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I think that there's a larger extension of what you said because as a you know, when it comes to a guy like uh or a young man, at some point society says you just have to kind of figure it out, and there's less of a uh it's almost like frowned upon if a guy still needs help at a certain age or hasn't figured things out.
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And I I I mean it's no secret, like John Wayne or or Rocky or you know, or you know, even modern times like Floyd Mayweather or Conor McGregor.
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Yeah.
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Like they're supposed to be like, hey man, you I don't need no help.
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I can, you know, I I can figure this out on my own.
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So that's been permeated through society in the thought process, and those guys who don't have those either those skills or that drive get left behind.
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Whereas, you know, and I'm not saying this negatively, women just may get more attention because obviously, you know, you know, you're being more sensitive because it could be a female potentially.
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So you're like, okay, let's let's figure things out emotionally.
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A guy's not supposed to cry, right?
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A guy's not supposed to feel sad.
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He's supposed to, if he gets sick, he's supposed to plow through it, you know.
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And so I think that an event like this can sit back and say, hey, you know, there your needs do matter and you do have value, and it's not in the traditional sense that society has taught you.
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Precisely.
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And I think a one big thing with guys is no one wants to feel like a charity case, no one wants to feel like a problem that they are now burdening others with.
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And that's not what we're doing.
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Everyone who walks into that event is a capable individual, and we just want them to realize that.
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We want them to leave with a fire in them that they don't think it's just important but necessary to go out and do something with themselves, whatever that may look like for them.
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Not only for their benefit, but as we said, the extension and benefit of for their families, their community, and this country.
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Because as I also mentioned earlier, it's it's not enough for a guy just to live.
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He has to understand what he lives for.
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I didn't catch the name of the event that specifically this is going to be called.
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Forging your future.
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Okay, forging your future.
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And that's that's very powerful.
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That's are do you guys plan on if it does successfully to go to other cities and locations?
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I would love to, man.
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I'll be honest with you.