June 25, 2026
Leadership in Tech: Tarek Radi on Building High-Performance Engineering Teams
Tarek Radi is a technology executive, engineering leader, and entrepreneur with more than 20 years of experience building and scaling innovative products and high-performing teams. After a distinguished career at Intel, where he led complex global programs and technology initiatives, Tarek expanded into entrepreneurship, leadership coaching, and emerging technology ventures. He is passionate about helping organizations navigate growth, foster innovation, and develop strong leadership cultures. Through his work, Tarek combines deep technical expertise with practical insights on business strategy, team performance, and personal development. His mission is to empower individuals and organizations to achieve meaningful impact through technology and leadership.
For podcast conversations, Tarek can speak on topics including leadership, career growth, innovation, entrepreneurship, engineering management, organizational culture, and navigating change in the technology industry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm honored to have the following guests on the randomest of nothing podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been intrigued by what people do when they pivot in life, have fascinating careers, and they shift, and then they decide to help others in the current way that they shift in their lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have terror karate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a former, this laundry list speaks for itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Amazon, Microsoft, Coach, and now has an interior entrepreneur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now introducing himself on this show for the randomest of nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Scott.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me on your show, appreciate it, and it's all as a pleasure to meet individuals like you, leaders in your community, and to share with your community as some tips and tricks that I learned along the way, and excited to talk to you today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to mention that you're an Emmy award winner as well, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't want to leave this that out of your background as well, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you have a 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so it's a 25 year plus journey I've had, like I said, Microsoft Amazon Intel as well, Alcatel Lucent, been in the high tech industry, working a big portion of my current data center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually, it's software based solutions really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the technology, I'm a reward, actually, one with a bunch of colleagues at Intel, we enabled a Lighthouse customer
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[SPEAKER_01]: with a very innovative solution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The technology, it's public and people can go and look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really a collaboration between Intel and Comcast in the Kubernetes world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it was someone you went and asked her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't ask what category it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you had matters is get statute, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The award is show for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't doubt play the fact that you're having them, and you're still in a very small category of people that have one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I thought it was fascinating because you found a career after all those corporate careers, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a company called IgotonOffer.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're also, you know, a serial entrepreneur of the friendly voice app.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what is I got an offer, Doctor?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got an offer.com is really a SaaS based solution where a bunch of professionals sign up as coaches and then others can
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[SPEAKER_01]: log on, have their own account on, I got an offer, they go in, view their coaches with other availability and skills and what they bring to the table and then they schedule sessions with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I provide a variety of services on that as a coach that's an awesome platform.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been there for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a member of that platform for a bit over a year now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have over 180 clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The services I provide there include resume reviews, as well as mock interviews, things like system design mock interviews, coding mock interviews, and most importantly behavioral mock interviews because that's a very important part of the interview process these days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also help my clients with salary negotiation and then something that is near and dear to me, just on the job coaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though the platform's name is called Igot an offer,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the partnership between the client and the coach, and when they get an offer, but no, we can provide services, even beyond that, such as pivoting within the employer environment, career development, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's beautiful, and I can't help but notice about a site like that when you consider what's taking place right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the tech industry and when it comes to artificial intelligence and you know obviously there's a merit effect or so I won't paint that with a wide brush but you're seeing a lot of qualified people very talented people in this current situation these companies who had boom hiring during the COVID pandemic now are you know kind of doing the things and then they typically mirror one another when one does one the others do it as follows what's that been like in that environment?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so you're you hit the nail of the head there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of very qualified, the high, very professional highly professional clients and they're having challenges flying landing positions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have skill sets like you won't believe years of experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: experience in program management, artificial intelligence, the market is really difficult right now and they need all the help they can get to really stand out because just being average doesn't cut it anymore and that trips and tricks that people used to do to stand out a few years ago just a couple of years ago don't work anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody now uses AI to clean up the resume, so that becomes a new norm as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to really stand out, it takes a bit more effort there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I do as a coach guide my clients on how to really stand out in this environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, we had several clients landing opportunities recently, even in the tough environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it takes tenacity, it takes perseverance, and it takes each client to drive their own career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell them, you're in the driver's seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm riding shotgun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you ideas, recommendations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you, there's a turn up ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's up to you, to steer, and it's up to you to decide how hard you press a gas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're in control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a unique problem, but the commonality here is that they are very well educated, very highly skilled, lots of experience and so can't land a job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you find it that, you know, this is just how I've always kind of seen things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I always click this with streaming services.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody went all in on streaming and then there was kind of a bubble where they had to pull back because they realized there wasn't enough ROI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They realized there was a lot harder to retain customers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think there's going to be a situation where everybody went all in on AI?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going to have to pull back because of whatever reasons they may be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're everything that's actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're already seeing companies like Microsoft pulling back a bit saying and other companies have forgot the name they're running out of the plant budget on an AI that they plan to spend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're overspending in some cases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So and other companies are experiencing hiccups along the way where they really need the skills and the humans who they laid off and they're hiring them back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So but the commonality is AI is here and it will, it's here to stay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The question is to use it to get ahead and use it efficiently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: use it significantly like for example in my case, friendly voice app is an app that I've developed from the ground up alone with the help of AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't have been able to develop a that fast with so much functionality in such a little amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to learn a lot of new skills, skills that even with my 25 years of experience plus I haven't had an opportunity to engage in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a large field and AI can help you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know what's fascinating is is that you have to be very common about not being having the mirror effect because now you know whether everybody has to be, you know, you know, everybody has these same comparable skill sets, right, that are easy to duplicate and a lot of these platforms now have self-learning ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're going to get people who in addition to have, you know, certain project management skills whereas you might just be just a developer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who want to learn artificial intelligence and with she learning, but have the project management experience as well, too, and now you're like, oh man, now it's too full, not competing against that that person who has a full, you know, breath and depth of skills that I didn't have to necessarily cultivate over the last 10, 20, 15, 30 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why right now in this day and age and especially in 2026, AQ is very important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: AQ is at that stability quotient.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the hierarchy of success, IQ might get you noticed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: EQ, emotional intelligence might get you respected, but AQ will keep you relevant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really something
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[SPEAKER_01]: coaching a lot of my clients in how to adapt in this environment, how to adjust and pivot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's necessary and that's really going to make you stand out as a perspective employee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's massive and that's great advice that you're willing to share.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the common mistakes high-level engineers make when they get in hot seat?
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, they get two very basic questions in the interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can always be guaranteed that you're going to be asked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, number one is, tell me about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the second is, why are you interested in this company and the specifically this position and why are you leaving your current job?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of my clients, they just ramble on and they go into too much details.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the employer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really has to even though they're asking about the candidate, it's really always about the employer, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have specific needs, business needs that they need to build skills that they're looking for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as part of your sales pitch, tell me about yourself, it's really a sales pitch because you're selling your time and your skills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As part of that sales pitch,
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[SPEAKER_01]: show them how you deliver what they need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many of my clients, they just, you know, they share general information, hoping it's relevant to help, hoping that it's something that the employer would find applicable, but it's not, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be tailored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell my clients,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same question, tell me about yourself, has to have a different answer, regardless of, has to have a different answer every time you interview with some different company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even the same company, different team, will have to a slightly different answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really one of the big gotchas for that's very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think sometimes it's weird right anytime anybody does a skills assessment or does like a, you know, about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's you it's easy to talk about something that you do you've done or not working on, but you never actually like have put down like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: those 10, 12 things, okay, this is me, this is what my skill set is, this is what I bring to the table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard to actually, like, be self-critical, notice gaps, and then work on those things to actually be better at that particular, those items and highlight them and bring them out of yourself, because people typically don't want to talk about what they're not good at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the things I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I facilitate extracting that story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's unique story, that everybody has built through their careers, and through their unique experiences, how do you expose that in a very consumable way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a way that attracts attention, a way that keeps the interviewer engaged, and keeps you as a client memorable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things I teach my clients, as well, is using their vocal archetypes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is touching really on Vin Gang's work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very famous on social media, especially on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he shares with people how you can use your voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that it is not monotonous, it's not boring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It grabs attention, using things like your volume, your speed, your frequency even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the pitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's so many capabilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really love it when he says it's like everybody is born with a piano and most of us are just playing music with one piece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we keep pressing that same key and what we think it's going to create a song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to play the melody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to
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[SPEAKER_01]: use all the capabilities you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not easy, especially for engineers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We grew up with professors who are monotonous, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we got to get extract that knowledge from them and get that great, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't matter how he delivers it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try and extract that information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've developed that capability and that flexibility
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[SPEAKER_01]: allowing the presenter to not be very vocal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And consequently, as well, us as engineers, we're also mostly Mathematonist as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's definitely a skill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very important to be aware.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's something at least my clients come out with, knowing that
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[SPEAKER_01]: they have this area to work on, and I see improvements as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you say to somebody who physically can't keep to the speed and capability of something that is artificial and tell it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not the smartest guy, but like the information and the speed of which this can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Things together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, even spreadsheets, like so, for example, like beautiful looking reports, which was a highly, like, skill set that only a certain group of people who mastered
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now anybody can make a spreadsheet and be your presentation look very, very, very good and exceptionally much short amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, a person physically can't do things at the speed that that does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you equate that with somebody who has those hard skills when something can output 20 times faster than they physically can do it, like coding?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: go up a level, go up a level in terms of not getting down to how things are done, but what is needed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Having that vision of knowing, okay, I need this sort of functionality and then you get the AI to do it, so you use that speed, that capability to really extend yourself and just
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[SPEAKER_01]: an application that allows those who have special needs and are non-verbal to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what it really is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually right now out on Google Play Store as it's an open testing phase right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody's welcome to give it a try and download it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I built that using AI because I know the domain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have the knowledge about the domain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My child has special needs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to use that device.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So having that level of knowledge from a business standpoint, AI can't get to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can give you the facts about the field, the area you're in, but it's up to you to define the strategy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Building that strategy coming together
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[SPEAKER_01]: that takes skill, that's a different level and then you're going to leverage AI to move at the speed of light, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it still has to be deployed, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It still has to be implemented, it still has to be improved upon, observed, and then to your point, you know, the growth of what next can be accomplished.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And and, and, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You also have to live with the fact that AI is not going to be accurate 100% of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to with your domain knowledge, know when it's hallucinating and guided.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just about prompt engineering, but reviewing the output.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even vibe coding, every single day now, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm building not just on my app.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have other apps that I'm building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm by coding and I have to review the code that it's being generated by AI and then I have to snapshot it and man, you know, trace back and really be in control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the driver seat AI just a tool that I use to get me there faster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that too is that at the end of the day, I was talking to a previous guest of mine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were discussing at the speed of which this is moving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when people would always say that they didn't have enough time, my schedules too full.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, by having this, this tool at our disposal, that removes that conversation from the equation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're at a position where everything that you didn't have time for, you need to make up for learning new skills, operating new processes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whether it's learning another, you know, if there was ever a time to learn other language and I, I, I dabbled in it a little bit, learn to that second language because now that business is being conducted in, you know, Japanese or Spanish, you know, Korean, you know, now you're like, okay, well, now I need to make myself more valuable by learning this particular skill set based upon the depth of fact that now my time is more free than it has been before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about making
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[SPEAKER_01]: additional free time, so that you can use it more effectively and efficiently towards your goals and achieving your goals faster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you do bring a very important point that the field is huge and it's growing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's expanding significantly every single day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's something new in AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Staying relevant is a challenge in its own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you've got to be mindful of
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[SPEAKER_01]: of the time you're investing as your own personal time, which areas are you going to learn more in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to be selective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tools are exploding in numbers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for example, one of my clients, a few months ago, told me about this tool that helps them, it's an AI tool that helps them with their presentation skills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's called Yodali or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It allows you to speak to the AI and then it evaluates your speech and your presentation and helps you with your presentation skills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just being engaged with the community also you can learn more about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the tools that are available and grow your skills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always think that, you know, typically people think in days, weeks and months and businesses think in years, decades, and even, you know, the next 10, 15, 20 years ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that while, you know, the pandemic was taking place in that bubble,
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[SPEAKER_00]: their boards, their teams, they're thinking five years down the line, I need to course correct what's taking place right now because, you know, this didn't happen in a vacuum, this little last three, four, five months, eight, ten months that we've been dealing with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is five years in the making, if your people are honest with themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it only got accelerated by a worldwide global cataclysmic event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's even
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[SPEAKER_01]: older than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wrote research papers in A, I back in 1998, 1998.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That dates me a bit, but what changed recently is our capacity to store large amount of
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[SPEAKER_01]: large amounts of data in short amounts of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what, and also to transfer that data.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a store, move, and process the data at large massive quantities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We weren't able to do that before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, and as a result, we just evolved the implementation and it got smarter faster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the perfect example of that is like when George Lucas made Star Wars, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know, he, he did the re-releases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, money was the first, you know, because any people will come back out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing was, I couldn't do this then because the technology simply didn't exist for me to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to your point, everything was already emotion, even if the technology at the time wasn't available to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But those people in, you know, him in particular, and in your field, 98, you know, you're like, hey, man, this has been 28 years in the making.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell people all the time spell checking was your artificial intelligence when you know it was that was you know that was the tool that you used you know so what I found out talking to everybody that's fascinating is
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's adaptability and resistance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the resistance portion is not going to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially as people are retiring, things are aging, and people can, and because these disinformation can be put around the country in very fast models, ultimately it's going to be the people who embrace it that are going to be the most successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now the bar is higher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Getting through that interview loop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you almost need to be, you have super strengths, super human strengths because you have exactly the skills they're looking for and still they're looking for better because they're looking for, first of all there's a huge supply of people in the workforce looking for jobs and a smaller demand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just becomes that results in higher competition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the bar naturally is rising and you really need to cope and thrive in that environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's challenging, but it can be done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have clients who through my coaching skills and support, they were able to cross that threshold and really land that job even in this environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see this causing a new way from entrepreneurship considering the talents of people out there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at some point, these people could all collectively get together and create their own things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're a software engineer, you need another software engineer, you need a project manager, you meet all these people, this designer, this UX designer, and you're like, hey, we're sitting in a room together, let's do something ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's why I tell some of my clients who really are struggling to land a position because they're not really, they have a big knowledge and gap knowledge gap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is one where they have multiple investments in parallel and one can generate a little bit of income, one can generate none now, but maybe some later, like a startup, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you work a small full-time job, so I have a client, for example, who accepted a salary that is half what he made that Amazon, because he got laid off and Amazon and he needs to pay the bills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now with a half of a seller at least he's covered with medical insurance perspective and he can get by he's paying his bills But he's now has time and ability to invest in Part two of his career Maybe you know that's start-up maybe his own idea that he owes always wanting to do for a while and now it's a Gives a now with a I he can't
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, sometimes, you know, hard times build great people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so ultimately, you know, you know, I would encourage everybody not to be at lunch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if everybody knows it a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, it was a textile workers that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: destroy the textile plants and old England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is everything right about this current technology?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's not going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the number one investment you can do is to learn those skills that you put at the back burner or didn't cultivate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that I get a chance to talk to you is you've seen all of this up close in the companies that you've worked for and now you're willing to share this with other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a beautiful thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a manager and I've hired many people throughout my career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've also been a coach well beyond my time at I got an offer for multiple years of helped probably over a thousand people in their career as they develop and grow as they pivot as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's I love giving back to the community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not every day that you can get the support that I'm providing, and I just want to make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I always ask this every single guest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, you have a book too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's make sure we present that book so we can talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You showed it earlier before we hit the record button.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is not my book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the books I recommend to my clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: system in design interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is volume two, but there's also volume one bite bite goes the company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our authors Alex Jew and San Lam, here are the beautiful pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They also post on LinkedIn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I reference this a lot to my clients as I help them and coach
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[SPEAKER_00]: mock-ups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if you're a technical program manager applying for Meta for example, they will get put you through a system design interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though you're not going to be designing a solution from the ground up, but they want to know that the candidate has the ability and skill to think across different concepts that bring together a solution that is scalable,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and valuable to the users and needs the business cases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of basic concepts as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also a format of how to follow a system design interview and that's something I teach my clients.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is absolutely wonderful information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking forward to, obviously, getting that book for myself to do some self-promoting of my end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always ask this if every guest and it's certainly not because they need this show to know who you are or what you're accomplished with smart, but for the purpose of this show, where could people find direct writing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can go to Igotonoffer.com and you can search for
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[SPEAKER_01]: The variety of coaches and variety of skills, I'm there as well, you know, among hundreds of other coaches, just search for Tarek, Tarek, and I'll be happy to help you guys on your journey and on your pursuits to land that next career move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to connect with you guys and answer any questions you may have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been looking forward to this interview for quite some time because people who are at the forefront of technology AI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not every day that I get a chance to talk to people with experience that you have in the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in the major companies that you work for, so I was really excited because the spaces that I get a chance to go to and the people I get a chance to talk to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In my everyday life, I would have never had the opportunity unless I had this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very grateful that in the small space that I've created, I've kind of been able to get access to your guys as a world, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very appreciative that you reached out to me and we have wonderful dialogue, you know, even off the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To have me on your wonderful show and share some of the value I bring to the community here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you do a lot of great work for a shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am specifically selected your podcast because of the value you bring to your audience and congratulations and kudos on such a
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[SPEAKER_01]: successful career with your podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say to anybody who's listening, if you ever want to have a different taste and strategy, your skill set could be staring you in the face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is have the will to start it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in no body is going to give you a break unless you start and they're still not going to give you a break.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to stick with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to do it when there's no adulation involved and you're the only person that's willing to push yourself through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is how ultimately you'll get somewhere
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[SPEAKER_01]: have a vision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have to be crystal clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll figure it out as you get there and be ready to pivot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I give a very simple analogy to some of my clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you're a New York and you're driving to Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, with GPS, you can plug in a specific address in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of that think of you're you're going to be driving from New York to Chicago find the routes to that get you there I'm not going to specify the neighborhood the address just yet right so you're going to have a routes and then oh there's an accident along the way you're going to be rerouted you're going to take a detour
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[SPEAKER_01]: You may decide, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to go around here first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to do a pit stop here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going back on to my journey because that was my vision somewhere in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very wide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Non-clear vision right for ambiguous then you're gonna zoom in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm gonna be in this neighborhood Exactly and near near downtown somewhere near there then you're gonna zoom in some more then you're gonna get the address You're gonna get the floor and you're gonna get the apartments and that's okay Ultimately, that's where you landed, but you won't know that detail once you start give yourself that flexibility and leeway to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy the journey, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And don't set yourself up with a rock hard solid goal that you is not maybe not achievable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pick smart goals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the one way to make a smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like when the gold rush happened, guys, just knew if I had West long enough, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really what it was going to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds cliche, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What, like, at some point, I'm just going to head west.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's how people who were successful, not everybody, ultimately got to where they, but at least even that, but you never know what could happen along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody who didn't make it to the gold rush may have had some success in between there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not talked about, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And find your support group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And your coach is a part of your support team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the coach will help you find you in your story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are a lot of my clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They go into details very quickly without explaining the context.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's another analogy I give them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're interviewing me, Rashad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's assume that for a moment here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell you, I tighten the screws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sharpen the blade and I clean the carburetor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I understand each of these three things on their own, but I'm lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what usually most of the resumes say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have to spend time digging out the details and helping them clarify a statement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, the statement could have been, I improved the efficiency of the lawnmower by 90% by tightening the screws, sharpening the blades, and leaning the carburetor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now the story makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just missing that context.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And coaches and your support group can help you with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to pretend like everybody's a total stranger about your story, really, and it's really what it boils down to, and it's not their job to fill it in, because they only go off what they read, so, you know, these are the truth for nuggets, the knowledge and insight that normally most people wouldn't get, so I hope people, you know, take this information and run with it and be the best version of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had been waiting for this interview for quite some time, and I want to tell you how honored I was that you carved out time out of your busy schedule, the innovator that you are terrorizing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Russa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much, pleasure being on your show, pleasure talking to you and to have a wonderful rest of your day and thank you for everything you do great job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate your YouTube as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm honored to have the following guests on the randomest of nothing podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been intrigued by what people do when they pivot in life, have fascinating careers, and they shift, and then they decide to help others in the current way that they shift in their lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have terror karate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a former, this laundry list speaks for itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Amazon, Microsoft, Coach, and now has an interior entrepreneur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now introducing himself on this show for the randomest of nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Scott.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me on your show, appreciate it, and it's all as a pleasure to meet individuals like you, leaders in your community, and to share with your community as some tips and tricks that I learned along the way, and excited to talk to you today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to mention that you're an Emmy award winner as well, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't want to leave this that out of your background as well, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you have a 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so it's a 25 year plus journey I've had, like I said, Microsoft Amazon Intel as well, Alcatel Lucent, been in the high tech industry, working a big portion of my current data center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually, it's software based solutions really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the technology, I'm a reward, actually, one with a bunch of colleagues at Intel, we enabled a Lighthouse customer
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[SPEAKER_01]: with a very innovative solution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The technology, it's public and people can go and look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really a collaboration between Intel and Comcast in the Kubernetes world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it was someone you went and asked her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't ask what category it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you had matters is get statute, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The award is show for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't doubt play the fact that you're having them, and you're still in a very small category of people that have one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I thought it was fascinating because you found a career after all those corporate careers, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a company called IgotonOffer.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're also, you know, a serial entrepreneur of the friendly voice app.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what is I got an offer, Doctor?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got an offer.com is really a SaaS based solution where a bunch of professionals sign up as coaches and then others can
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[SPEAKER_01]: log on, have their own account on, I got an offer, they go in, view their coaches with other availability and skills and what they bring to the table and then they schedule sessions with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I provide a variety of services on that as a coach that's an awesome platform.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been there for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a member of that platform for a bit over a year now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have over 180 clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The services I provide there include resume reviews, as well as mock interviews, things like system design mock interviews, coding mock interviews, and most importantly behavioral mock interviews because that's a very important part of the interview process these days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also help my clients with salary negotiation and then something that is near and dear to me, just on the job coaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though the platform's name is called Igot an offer,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the partnership between the client and the coach, and when they get an offer, but no, we can provide services, even beyond that, such as pivoting within the employer environment, career development, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's beautiful, and I can't help but notice about a site like that when you consider what's taking place right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the tech industry and when it comes to artificial intelligence and you know obviously there's a merit effect or so I won't paint that with a wide brush but you're seeing a lot of qualified people very talented people in this current situation these companies who had boom hiring during the COVID pandemic now are you know kind of doing the things and then they typically mirror one another when one does one the others do it as follows what's that been like in that environment?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so you're you hit the nail of the head there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of very qualified, the high, very professional highly professional clients and they're having challenges flying landing positions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have skill sets like you won't believe years of experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: experience in program management, artificial intelligence, the market is really difficult right now and they need all the help they can get to really stand out because just being average doesn't cut it anymore and that trips and tricks that people used to do to stand out a few years ago just a couple of years ago don't work anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody now uses AI to clean up the resume, so that becomes a new norm as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to really stand out, it takes a bit more effort there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I do as a coach guide my clients on how to really stand out in this environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, we had several clients landing opportunities recently, even in the tough environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it takes tenacity, it takes perseverance, and it takes each client to drive their own career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell them, you're in the driver's seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm riding shotgun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you ideas, recommendations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you, there's a turn up ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's up to you, to steer, and it's up to you to decide how hard you press a gas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're in control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a unique problem, but the commonality here is that they are very well educated, very highly skilled, lots of experience and so can't land a job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you find it that, you know, this is just how I've always kind of seen things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I always click this with streaming services.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody went all in on streaming and then there was kind of a bubble where they had to pull back because they realized there wasn't enough ROI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They realized there was a lot harder to retain customers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to turn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think there's going to be a situation where everybody went all in on AI?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going to have to pull back because of whatever reasons they may be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're everything that's actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're already seeing companies like Microsoft pulling back a bit saying and other companies have forgot the name they're running out of the plant budget on an AI that they plan to spend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're overspending in some cases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So and other companies are experiencing hiccups along the way where they really need the skills and the humans who they laid off and they're hiring them back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So but the commonality is AI is here and it will, it's here to stay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The question is to use it to get ahead and use it efficiently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: use it significantly like for example in my case, friendly voice app is an app that I've developed from the ground up alone with the help of AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't have been able to develop a that fast with so much functionality in such a little amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to learn a lot of new skills, skills that even with my 25 years of experience plus I haven't had an opportunity to engage in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a large field and AI can help you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know what's fascinating is is that you have to be very common about not being having the mirror effect because now you know whether everybody has to be, you know, you know, everybody has these same comparable skill sets, right, that are easy to duplicate and a lot of these platforms now have self-learning ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're going to get people who in addition to have, you know, certain project management skills whereas you might just be just a developer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who want to learn artificial intelligence and with she learning, but have the project management experience as well, too, and now you're like, oh man, now it's too full, not competing against that that person who has a full, you know, breath and depth of skills that I didn't have to necessarily cultivate over the last 10, 20, 15, 30 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why right now in this day and age and especially in 2026, AQ is very important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: AQ is at that stability quotient.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the hierarchy of success, IQ might get you noticed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: EQ, emotional intelligence might get you respected, but AQ will keep you relevant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really something
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[SPEAKER_01]: coaching a lot of my clients in how to adapt in this environment, how to adjust and pivot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's necessary and that's really going to make you stand out as a perspective employee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's massive and that's great advice that you're willing to share.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the common mistakes high-level engineers make when they get in hot seat?
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, they get two very basic questions in the interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can always be guaranteed that you're going to be asked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, number one is, tell me about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the second is, why are you interested in this company and the specifically this position and why are you leaving your current job?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of my clients, they just ramble on and they go into too much details.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the employer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really has to even though they're asking about the candidate, it's really always about the employer, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have specific needs, business needs that they need to build skills that they're looking for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as part of your sales pitch, tell me about yourself, it's really a sales pitch because you're selling your time and your skills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As part of that sales pitch,
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[SPEAKER_01]: show them how you deliver what they need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many of my clients, they just, you know, they share general information, hoping it's relevant to help, hoping that it's something that the employer would find applicable, but it's not, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be tailored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell my clients,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same question, tell me about yourself, has to have a different answer, regardless of, has to have a different answer every time you interview with some different company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even the same company, different team, will have to a slightly different answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really one of the big gotchas for that's very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think sometimes it's weird right anytime anybody does a skills assessment or does like a, you know, about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's you it's easy to talk about something that you do you've done or not working on, but you never actually like have put down like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: those 10, 12 things, okay, this is me, this is what my skill set is, this is what I bring to the table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard to actually, like, be self-critical, notice gaps, and then work on those things to actually be better at that particular, those items and highlight them and bring them out of yourself, because people typically don't want to talk about what they're not good at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the things I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I facilitate extracting that story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's unique story, that everybody has built through their careers, and through their unique experiences, how do you expose that in a very consumable way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a way that attracts attention, a way that keeps the interviewer engaged, and keeps you as a client memorable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things I teach my clients, as well, is using their vocal archetypes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is touching really on Vin Gang's work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very famous on social media, especially on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he shares with people how you can use your voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that it is not monotonous, it's not boring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It grabs attention, using things like your volume, your speed, your frequency even.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the pitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's so many capabilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really love it when he says it's like everybody is born with a piano and most of us are just playing music with one piece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we keep pressing that same key and what we think it's going to create a song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to play the melody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to
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[SPEAKER_01]: use all the capabilities you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not easy, especially for engineers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We grew up with professors who are monotonous, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we got to get extract that knowledge from them and get that great, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't matter how he delivers it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try and extract that information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've developed that capability and that flexibility
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[SPEAKER_01]: allowing the presenter to not be very vocal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And consequently, as well, us as engineers, we're also mostly Mathematonist as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's definitely a skill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very important to be aware.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's something at least my clients come out with, knowing that
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[SPEAKER_01]: they have this area to work on, and I see improvements as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you say to somebody who physically can't keep to the speed and capability of something that is artificial and tell it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not the smartest guy, but like the information and the speed of which this can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Things together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, even spreadsheets, like so, for example, like beautiful looking reports, which was a highly, like, skill set that only a certain group of people who mastered
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now anybody can make a spreadsheet and be your presentation look very, very, very good and exceptionally much short amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, a person physically can't do things at the speed that that does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you equate that with somebody who has those hard skills when something can output 20 times faster than they physically can do it, like coding?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: go up a level, go up a level in terms of not getting down to how things are done, but what is needed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Having that vision of knowing, okay, I need this sort of functionality and then you get the AI to do it, so you use that speed, that capability to really extend yourself and just
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[SPEAKER_01]: an application that allows those who have special needs and are non-verbal to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what it really is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually right now out on Google Play Store as it's an open testing phase right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody's welcome to give it a try and download it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I built that using AI because I know the domain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have the knowledge about the domain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My child has special needs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to use that device.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So having that level of knowledge from a business standpoint, AI can't get to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can give you the facts about the field, the area you're in, but it's up to you to define the strategy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Building that strategy coming together
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[SPEAKER_01]: that takes skill, that's a different level and then you're going to leverage AI to move at the speed of light, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it still has to be deployed, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It still has to be implemented, it still has to be improved upon, observed, and then to your point, you know, the growth of what next can be accomplished.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And and, and, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You also have to live with the fact that AI is not going to be accurate 100% of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to with your domain knowledge, know when it's hallucinating and guided.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just about prompt engineering, but reviewing the output.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even vibe coding, every single day now, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm building not just on my app.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have other apps that I'm building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm by coding and I have to review the code that it's being generated by AI and then I have to snapshot it and man, you know, trace back and really be in control.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the driver seat AI just a tool that I use to get me there faster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that too is that at the end of the day, I was talking to a previous guest of mine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were discussing at the speed of which this is moving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when people would always say that they didn't have enough time, my schedules too full.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, by having this, this tool at our disposal, that removes that conversation from the equation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're at a position where everything that you didn't have time for, you need to make up for learning new skills, operating new processes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whether it's learning another, you know, if there was ever a time to learn other language and I, I, I dabbled in it a little bit, learn to that second language because now that business is being conducted in, you know, Japanese or Spanish, you know, Korean, you know, now you're like, okay, well, now I need to make myself more valuable by learning this particular skill set based upon the depth of fact that now my time is more free than it has been before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about making
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[SPEAKER_01]: additional free time, so that you can use it more effectively and efficiently towards your goals and achieving your goals faster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you do bring a very important point that the field is huge and it's growing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's expanding significantly every single day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's something new in AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Staying relevant is a challenge in its own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you've got to be mindful of
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[SPEAKER_01]: of the time you're investing as your own personal time, which areas are you going to learn more in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to be selective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tools are exploding in numbers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for example, one of my clients, a few months ago, told me about this tool that helps them, it's an AI tool that helps them with their presentation skills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's called Yodali or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It allows you to speak to the AI and then it evaluates your speech and your presentation and helps you with your presentation skills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just being engaged with the community also you can learn more about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the tools that are available and grow your skills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always think that, you know, typically people think in days, weeks and months and businesses think in years, decades, and even, you know, the next 10, 15, 20 years ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that while, you know, the pandemic was taking place in that bubble,
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[SPEAKER_00]: their boards, their teams, they're thinking five years down the line, I need to course correct what's taking place right now because, you know, this didn't happen in a vacuum, this little last three, four, five months, eight, ten months that we've been dealing with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is five years in the making, if your people are honest with themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it only got accelerated by a worldwide global cataclysmic event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's even
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[SPEAKER_01]: older than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wrote research papers in A, I back in 1998, 1998.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That dates me a bit, but what changed recently is our capacity to store large amount of
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[SPEAKER_01]: large amounts of data in short amounts of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what, and also to transfer that data.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a store, move, and process the data at large massive quantities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We weren't able to do that before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, and as a result, we just evolved the implementation and it got smarter faster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the perfect example of that is like when George Lucas made Star Wars, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know, he, he did the re-releases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, money was the first, you know, because any people will come back out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing was, I couldn't do this then because the technology simply didn't exist for me to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to your point, everything was already emotion, even if the technology at the time wasn't available to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But those people in, you know, him in particular, and in your field, 98, you know, you're like, hey, man, this has been 28 years in the making.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell people all the time spell checking was your artificial intelligence when you know it was that was you know that was the tool that you used you know so what I found out talking to everybody that's fascinating is
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's adaptability and resistance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the resistance portion is not going to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially as people are retiring, things are aging, and people can, and because these disinformation can be put around the country in very fast models, ultimately it's going to be the people who embrace it that are going to be the most successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now the bar is higher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Getting through that interview loop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you almost need to be, you have super strengths, super human strengths because you have exactly the skills they're looking for and still they're looking for better because they're looking for, first of all there's a huge supply of people in the workforce looking for jobs and a smaller demand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just becomes that results in higher competition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the bar naturally is rising and you really need to cope and thrive in that environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's challenging, but it can be done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have clients who through my coaching skills and support, they were able to cross that threshold and really land that job even in this environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see this causing a new way from entrepreneurship considering the talents of people out there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at some point, these people could all collectively get together and create their own things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're a software engineer, you need another software engineer, you need a project manager, you meet all these people, this designer, this UX designer, and you're like, hey, we're sitting in a room together, let's do something ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's why I tell some of my clients who really are struggling to land a position because they're not really, they have a big knowledge and gap knowledge gap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is one where they have multiple investments in parallel and one can generate a little bit of income, one can generate none now, but maybe some later, like a startup, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you work a small full-time job, so I have a client, for example, who accepted a salary that is half what he made that Amazon, because he got laid off and Amazon and he needs to pay the bills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now with a half of a seller at least he's covered with medical insurance perspective and he can get by he's paying his bills But he's now has time and ability to invest in Part two of his career Maybe you know that's start-up maybe his own idea that he owes always wanting to do for a while and now it's a Gives a now with a I he can't
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, sometimes, you know, hard times build great people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so ultimately, you know, you know, I would encourage everybody not to be at lunch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if everybody knows it a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, it was a textile workers that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: destroy the textile plants and old England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is everything right about this current technology?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's not going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the number one investment you can do is to learn those skills that you put at the back burner or didn't cultivate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that I get a chance to talk to you is you've seen all of this up close in the companies that you've worked for and now you're willing to share this with other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a beautiful thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a manager and I've hired many people throughout my career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've also been a coach well beyond my time at I got an offer for multiple years of helped probably over a thousand people in their career as they develop and grow as they pivot as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's I love giving back to the community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not every day that you can get the support that I'm providing, and I just want to make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I always ask this every single guest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, you have a book too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's make sure we present that book so we can talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You showed it earlier before we hit the record button.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is not my book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the books I recommend to my clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: system in design interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is volume two, but there's also volume one bite bite goes the company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our authors Alex Jew and San Lam, here are the beautiful pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They also post on LinkedIn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I reference this a lot to my clients as I help them and coach
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[SPEAKER_00]: mock-ups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if you're a technical program manager applying for Meta for example, they will get put you through a system design interview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though you're not going to be designing a solution from the ground up, but they want to know that the candidate has the ability and skill to think across different concepts that bring together a solution that is scalable,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and valuable to the users and needs the business cases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of basic concepts as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also a format of how to follow a system design interview and that's something I teach my clients.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is absolutely wonderful information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking forward to, obviously, getting that book for myself to do some self-promoting of my end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always ask this if every guest and it's certainly not because they need this show to know who you are or what you're accomplished with smart, but for the purpose of this show, where could people find direct writing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can go to Igotonoffer.com and you can search for
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[SPEAKER_01]: The variety of coaches and variety of skills, I'm there as well, you know, among hundreds of other coaches, just search for Tarek, Tarek, and I'll be happy to help you guys on your journey and on your pursuits to land that next career move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to connect with you guys and answer any questions you may have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been looking forward to this interview for quite some time because people who are at the forefront of technology AI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not every day that I get a chance to talk to people with experience that you have in the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in the major companies that you work for, so I was really excited because the spaces that I get a chance to go to and the people I get a chance to talk to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In my everyday life, I would have never had the opportunity unless I had this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very grateful that in the small space that I've created, I've kind of been able to get access to your guys as a world, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very appreciative that you reached out to me and we have wonderful dialogue, you know, even off the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To have me on your wonderful show and share some of the value I bring to the community here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you do a lot of great work for a shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am specifically selected your podcast because of the value you bring to your audience and congratulations and kudos on such a
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[SPEAKER_01]: successful career with your podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say to anybody who's listening, if you ever want to have a different taste and strategy, your skill set could be staring you in the face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is have the will to start it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in no body is going to give you a break unless you start and they're still not going to give you a break.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to stick with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to do it when there's no adulation involved and you're the only person that's willing to push yourself through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is how ultimately you'll get somewhere
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[SPEAKER_01]: have a vision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have to be crystal clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll figure it out as you get there and be ready to pivot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I give a very simple analogy to some of my clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you're a New York and you're driving to Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, with GPS, you can plug in a specific address in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of that think of you're you're going to be driving from New York to Chicago find the routes to that get you there I'm not going to specify the neighborhood the address just yet right so you're going to have a routes and then oh there's an accident along the way you're going to be rerouted you're going to take a detour
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[SPEAKER_01]: You may decide, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to go around here first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to do a pit stop here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going back on to my journey because that was my vision somewhere in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very wide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Non-clear vision right for ambiguous then you're gonna zoom in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm gonna be in this neighborhood Exactly and near near downtown somewhere near there then you're gonna zoom in some more then you're gonna get the address You're gonna get the floor and you're gonna get the apartments and that's okay Ultimately, that's where you landed, but you won't know that detail once you start give yourself that flexibility and leeway to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy the journey, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And don't set yourself up with a rock hard solid goal that you is not maybe not achievable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pick smart goals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the one way to make a smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like when the gold rush happened, guys, just knew if I had West long enough, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really what it was going to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds cliche, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What, like, at some point, I'm just going to head west.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's how people who were successful, not everybody, ultimately got to where they, but at least even that, but you never know what could happen along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody who didn't make it to the gold rush may have had some success in between there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not talked about, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And find your support group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And your coach is a part of your support team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the coach will help you find you in your story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are a lot of my clients.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They go into details very quickly without explaining the context.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's another analogy I give them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're interviewing me, Rashad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's assume that for a moment here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell you, I tighten the screws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sharpen the blade and I clean the carburetor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I understand each of these three things on their own, but I'm lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what usually most of the resumes say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have to spend time digging out the details and helping them clarify a statement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, the statement could have been, I improved the efficiency of the lawnmower by 90% by tightening the screws, sharpening the blades, and leaning the carburetor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now the story makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just missing that context.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And coaches and your support group can help you with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to pretend like everybody's a total stranger about your story, really, and it's really what it boils down to, and it's not their job to fill it in, because they only go off what they read, so, you know, these are the truth for nuggets, the knowledge and insight that normally most people wouldn't get, so I hope people, you know, take this information and run with it and be the best version of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had been waiting for this interview for quite some time, and I want to tell you how honored I was that you carved out time out of your busy schedule, the innovator that you are terrorizing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Russa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much, pleasure being on your show, pleasure talking to you and to have a wonderful rest of your day and thank you for everything you do great job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate your YouTube as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
